Seth’s Pie Theory

Here is a pie:

Financial products are almost always zero-sum games between the client, his financial planner, and the product provider. It is nothing more than deciding how to cut up a pie to be shared. Thus, I have a pet theory which I shall call my very own “Seth’s Pie Theory”.

In this theory of mine, the client is akin to a person who wants to bake a pie. The financial product provider sells baking supplies, while the financial planner is a baker who would turn the ingredients into the final baked product.

This is what I feel is an equitable scenario:

The company providing financial products should take a small slice of the pie as it can survive on volume. The financial planner should get a piece as he puts the pie together, but also survive on having multiple clients for more pie. The client, being the one putting his money for the pie, and likely only having enough for one, should get the lion’s share of it.

Unfortunately I think this is probably far from reality. Would profit-seeking companies want lowered margins? Are agents okay with lower remuneration? This is what goes on:

Many products in the market now are sold with the “financial planner” and company getting large slices of the pie, leaving only a pathetic amount for the client. A good number of these salespeople are even quite haughty about it, claiming that they are benefitting the client, because the client would “starve” without the small piece of pie offered to them. Truth is, they take away the client’s budget, rendering him chronically under-insured and ill-prepared for retirement – simply causing him to be “malnourished” when he could have done things properly.

The client is usually none the wiser, thinking that it is all the pie his budget can get him.

Some of these salespeople still claim that their inequitably high remuneration does not detract from the client’ interests. I have encountered some people in the industry justifying certain high revenue products as being as beneficial or even more so than products which bring less to the agent and company.

Is this a magical pie? Where does the extra pie come from? It is as if the agent is able to conjure pie out of thin air.

On the other extreme, there are indeed people who feel that they should give as little as they can to their financial planner and company. There is a fair fee to be paid for every service, and financial planning happens to be one of the many.

While I recognise that there people who can manage their financial matters themselves, the majority still has very poor financial literacy. It is exceedingly easy for them to end up with a spectacular mess instead of an edible – much less delicious – pie. Besides, even the most financially literate of people may not have the industry experience or knowledge needed to properly execute a financial plan. Like reading a pie recipe from a cook book, financial planning can seem deceivingly simple. Getting it to work is another matter.

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    futures-explained said 2135 days ago:

    Totally agreed with you on “financial planning can seem deceivingly simple. Getting it to work is another matter.” I know because I started out not wanting to touch anything on finance and literally hand my money to financial advisers, who happily took it.

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      Seth said 2134 days ago:

      There are still many who really cannot DIY but insist on doing it. I really feel it’s a classic case of being penny wise pound foolish.

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    Value investor said 2135 days ago:

    Seth, I told you before we are the same type of people. We are kind-hearted people who think for our clients.

    When I was a banker in my previous job, I would take a small spread (commission) for clients and take a bigger spread (commission) for my clients when they sell to take profit. In this way, my clients still earn profits and I could still survive in the banking industry.

    Some people may say it is not right to take a big spread from clients. But I can tell you that it is rare for clients to be profitable when listen to their bankers’ advice. So since my clients are making good profits, it is right for them to pay me well. So I could survive longer and serve them longer.

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      Seth said 2134 days ago:

      Thanks for the compliment. I don’t see myself as necessarily “kind-hearted” – I just want to do the right and equitable thing.

      I do feel that remuneration linked to performance is quite a fair way of compensating the adviser. Another topic for another blog post for another day!

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